Quote from deggis :

I don't understand that. Some people prefer bumper cam (I don't prefer but useful if you have a home build cockpit or something) and probably the large majority of players already uses cockpit view. I don't understand how anyone could even play with the chase view, it's their bad if they do use it.


According to this, Scawen might be working on it right now: http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=159720#post159720

I don't understand what's the point of some kind of hardcore mode, LFS is a friggin' sim and we don't need separate semi-hardcore and true-hardcore modes. I suggested a month ago or so removing auto blip/cut completely from cars that would never have those in real life (thread here), but majority of people disagreed with me. Kinda funny that we pretend to play a true simulation and still everyone wants to use driving aids... don't get me totally wrong, of course it's pretty hard to use manual clutch without a third pedal, that's why I'm not saying manual clutch should be forced. But everyone can do blipping and cutting manually with a regular 2-pedal setup so it definately doesn't make things unfair.

The Approach other Sims are handling the driving aids advantage is to let the car be a little slower when having driving aids enabled. GPL does that, and thats fair IMHO. Although I'm not sure if LFS doesnt do that too?

Quote from Vain :

Let's imagin you want to drive some TBO/Aston Club right now. There's exactly one single server with that combo. And it's not a weird combo like XFG/Aston GP, it's a perfectly normal standard combo. And there's one single server to choose from. Actually I wouldn't like having "fewer" servers to choose from because that'd mean I wouldn't be able to play LFS with the combo I'd like.

I can tell you some more combos... LRF/KY Nat, FO8/Aston GP, LX4/Fern Bay Gold, the liste is long. A hardcore-mode-option would harm LFS's multiplayer very much.

Oh, and this is speaking about server activity in europe's prime time. Talk to americans or australasians about it and it get's even worse.

Vain

Right, you would have fewer Servers to choose from, but it should still be up to the Host what kind of Racing he wants to organize.

Some Track-car combos might not be joinable then, but lets not overestimate how much Servers are going to run with that Options on. It would be few and it depends on how many drivers would join.
And other Sims have showed that the Majority do not want to host forced Settings, so only a few Servers would have them on. It would be good for leagues too to have that Options.

Would be nice to have some words from Scawen about this if he has time or have he stated anything related to this in the past?

Last edited by George Kuyumji, Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:00.

Quote from Becky Rose :

People use the driving aids they need/want. Who are the server ops to dictate our gameplay experience? Aside from providing a combo which is advertised on the game select screen.

I for one dont have an H shifter, and being a single seater race fan i'm not going to buy one either - but that doesn't mean I dont hop into a saloon from time to time .

Quote from i30i3i3y :

I don't like the idea of forcing people to use X,Y or Z. I'd be happy to see some sort of recognition in the userlist of people running in 'hardcore' mode so they can differentiate themselves form the 'softcore' people , but that's as far as I'd go. Being 'hardcore' should be an option not an obligation.

I think there is a big confusion. Nobody wants to dictate somebody elses Gameplay Experience. No driving aid or other views should be changed or removed from the Sim off or online.

An additional Option on some Servers are not going to dictate your Gameplay experience at all.

As alot of Sim Racers drive with 2 pedals and other views there will always be enough and most likely a Majority of Servers without Hardcore Mode enabled.

Take a look at Nascar Racing 2003, there are for sure more than 2/3 of the hundreds of Hosts without Forced Cockpit view.

But there are some with, and thats appreciated.

If you have lets say 100 LFS Servers online, and 10 of them have the Hardcore Mode enabled, I have a hard time seeing the problem regarding your Gameplay experience. It wont be affected in any way except that you may have a few less Servers to choose from. But with all those Servers to Race on I dont think it is that big of a deal.

Last edited by George Kuyumji, Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:31.

Quote from SamH :

For me, ASS have quite some credibility to claw back following the nKP preview. I didn't think that the BMW Sauber comparison did anything to address that, really. Nothing was related to actual telemetry in the comparison, which made the whole review really rather silly. Because the rFactor Sauber went faster than the LFS Sauber, rFactor was a better sim of the Sauber!? Uhhh..

One thing that I did consider to be a plus, in the comparison, is that they actually set about comparing an Alpha install of LFS directly with a Golden Master install of rFactor. Now, ASS can have no excuse for negating to discuss/cover LFS on the basis that LFS is in an Alpha stage of development.

Its a shame as it would have been really interesting to read a detailed and comprehensive Review from the BMWs in rF and LFS. Not just rFactor praising

Still it is good to have a Race Sim Magazine for free

Last edited by George Kuyumji, Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:19.

Quote from the_angry_angel :

Sounds like this thread.

imho, its a bad idea. But the rest of the community don't appear to agree.

Why do you think it is a bad idea?

Just wondering

Quote from tristancliffe :

Agreed. The G25 is the start of the 3-pedal system becoming 'the norm' but until then even I wouldn't want to penalise people without them. Hardcore mode should be irrespective of controller really. However, when ALL (bar the very cheapest) wheels come with three pedals then is the time to consider enforcing it, but not until then!

All of Woz's points are 100000000% brilliant, and I will pay for S10 if they were added!

To include a (setupable) Hardcore Mode in LFS would not penalise anybody.

Quite the Opposite, Sim Racers who always drive with the cockpit view and 3 pedals are penalised now.
A Hardcore Mode would not penalise left foot braker or bird-view drivers - it would only give the drivers who prefer to drive with more Simulation type Options a Starting Grid where they can compete against other Sim Racers with the same views and settings.
If you drive in the bird view or roof cam view thats just fine, there would only be a few Servers running the Hardcore Mode which you couldnt join, the Majority of Servers would surely stay with all Options open.

It works just fine in NASCAR Racing 2003. When you Race Online there you can get a 43 car starting grid, but you dont have a problem finding a Server without forced Cockpit View at the same time.

A (setupable) Hardcore Mode would not penalise anyone, it would add something to the Simulation.

I agree with Gunn on the Hardcore Mode, it should be setupable

Something like this, of course the Host should be able to choose between whats forced and whats not.

• Forced Cockpit View
  
• No driving aids
  
• No Reset of Car during Race
  
• Clutch is an Axis
  
• H Pattern Shifter (if that particular car is supposed to be driven like that)
  

Quote :

Gunn said:

Hardcore mode should be a set of options, not a blanket of inflexible changes. That way people with shifters and 3-pedals can race each other fairly by selecting those server side options. Being able to customise hardcore options would allow various hardcore configurations that suit a wider range of players and cater to different types of racing. If we just have one static hardcore setup with no options, the whinging will never cease.
With optional settings you could set up a server that applies several HC options but still caters for all views etc. Or you may choose just to switch off telepitting and resets and leave other things in their default state. Maybe you just want to force a single setup for all racers or something like that?

Last edited by George Kuyumji, Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:38.

Is there any news if a Hardcore Mode is planned or considered to be implemented in on of the next Patches?

The Cockpit viewer, H-Shifter and 3 Pedals user should not have a disadvantage when the final Version of S3 comes out. IMHO There should be a Hardcore Mode for Racers with a full Sim Racing Setup. Such as 3 pedals, cockpit view and H-Shift users (on cars that are supposed to be driven that way)

Giving that the G25 is going to have the first 3 pedal setup on a Mass Market scale, it should be considered to NOT leave the guys driving in a more realistic way on a Grid against guys driving with Arcade Options.

Were there any information from Scawen about this?

Last edited by George Kuyumji, Mon, 9 Oct 2006 21:21.

Quote from J.B. :

No, I don't know why they didn't use sequentials and I haven't been able to find out a lot via google but I don't think it was the rules.

TBH I didn't really know what the mechanical difference between an H-pattern and a sequential gearbox was before I posted here. If howstuffworks.com is to be trusted, the only difference is in the actuation mechanism so I guess when I said F1's never used sequential gearboxes I meant that they never used muscle operated sequential gearboxes, only hydraulic or electro-mechanically operated .

The only reason I could think of is that maybe the downshifts weren't fast enough for the short braking distances? With an H-pattern gears could be skipped when downshifting.

The best proof of H-patterns in F1 I could find are the following videos. Both quite clearly show shifting movements that are not just back and forth and I think also gear skipping before the chicanes. The first is from 1989 and the second from 1990.

http://rapidshare.de/files/315 ... _monaco_full_lap.wmv.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/315 ... ing_in_Suzuka_GP.mpg.html

I hope rapidshare works for you, they are both available on youtube as well but it's not as easily visible there due to the low resolution.




They did a single test with it in the car around '93/'94. It was imediately banned afterwards, maybe because of the awful noise a constant rpm F1 probably makes.

I was surprised to see that you couldnt use a H Shifter on single Seater cars in the Test Patch. Because I have driven Formula Ford type cars and they all required clutching and shifting with an H kind shifter.

Nice Movie !!! Whats the name of the Song

Good idea from subhumanspunk. There could be a kind of unofficial LFS User on myspace and on youtube. Especially at youtube we could place the best LFS Videos. It doesnt has to be crashes and the like, but nice close Races from all kinds of cars the Sim offers. With realistic Camera Views only and highlighting the excitement LFS brings. Surely some leagues would have nice Videos to offer.

Hello!

I have driven some Racekarts and a Formula car in real life (200hp / 500kg) and know that it does really throw your head around in the cockpit. Not the body as you usually wear the seatbelts very tight. But you get pressed into them under braking.

Now in a stronger Formula car these Forces and Vibrations that occur are extraordinary bigger than in a smaller Formula car, F1 drivers practise and do have to have strong neck muscles to absorb these constant forces.

Please take a look at this lap from Alonso in Silverstone some years ago, the camera is mounted next to the drivers helmet and imagine the viewpoint he must have under the g-forces.

Alonso in Silverstone


Also take a closer look at Schumachers helmet in this Video:

Schumacher Onboard in Estoril early 90s


Interlagos is known for its bumpy tarmac, take a look at Sennas head shaking around in the Infield

Senna in Interlagos Qualy


What do you think could be a authentic Head Movements Setting in LFS to cover those Movements in that BMW ?

Last edited by George Kuyumji, Sat, 26 Aug 2006 08:03.

Dont know if this has been mentioned before, but when starting the sessions from the Garage the car is already started, making the ignition button useless. Could we start into the Sessions with the engine beeing off?

Another small suggestion that I found useful would be some kind of option in the Garage Menu to write some notices and Infos about the Setup, could be saved as a small txt file within the Setup file perhaps?

When setting up the Gear Rations in the Setup Screen one can either click for every unit with the Mouse which can take long, or drag the mark to an approxiametely point. Wouldnt it be nice to have another button next to the ">" button to go up by 10, or 5 units per Mouse click?

The 'look left 'look right' is very hard to use when going side by side, is there a way to set it up to ones own likings, like perhaps just looking 45° to the side, that would be very useful when fighting for position. Although I expect the TrackIR to arrive this week, so hopefully it will work well with LFS.

Last edited by George Kuyumji, Mon, 21 Aug 2006 11:38.

could you look if you got the same letters and numbers like me in the Gamecontroller setup? I have:

HID\VID_046D&PID_CA03\6&1280A016&0&0000

USB\VID_046D&PID_CA03\5&6C122E&0&1


When reinstalling LFS, what files are important to keep? the setups, the dds folder and spr folder obviously, is there any other file I should backup? Are there Stats saved somewhere?

Last edited by George Kuyumji, Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:28.

Thanks for your help, I tried using the same settings that you have but it still doesnt work. I also tried lowering this line LED1=17000 to LED1=7000,to make sure I dont miss the required RPM to make the light go up, but it doesnt work I have the same settings and the same wheel as you

Thorvertonian could you take a look at my settings perhaps, this Add On doesnt work for me. I have the black MOMO.


I have 4,60 drivers on the wheel and I changed my cfg configs to:

OutGauge Mode 1
OutGauge Delay 1
OutGauge IP 127.0.0.1
OutGauge Port 56551
OutGauge ID 0


In the momoleds file I have:

[config]
; outGaugePort: Port to listen to for OutGauge packets
; deviceID: Device ID of the wheel (51715 = MOMO Racing (0xCA03), 49813 = MOMO (0xC295))
; deviceNum: Device number (if you have multiple wheels of the same type)
; speedlimitFlashTime: Flash delay of flashing pitlane speed limiter (ms)
; shiftlightFlashTime: Flash delay of flashing shift light (ms)
; lowfuelFlashTime: Flash delay of flashing low fuel light (ms)
outGaugePort=56551
deviceID=51715
deviceNum=0
speedlimitFlashTime=200
shiftlightFlashTime=100
lowfuelFlashTime=1000

; LED settings below, if car specifig settings are not found, the default ones are used

; LED actions:
; 0 = Always off
; 1 = Shift light
; 2 = Handbrake
; 3 = Pitspeed limiter
; 4 = Flashing pitspeed limiter
; 5 = Left signal
; 6 = Right signal
; 7 = Redline
; 8 = Oil warn
; 9 = Fullbeam
; 10 = Low fuel
; 11 = Traction control
; 12 = Flashing shiftlight
; 13 = Flashing low fuel light
; 14 = Always on
; >100 = RPM light
; For primary actions negative values negate the light state.
; For secondary actions (LED1b, LED2b) negative value means
; an OR operation and positive a XOR operation.

[default]
LED1=1
LED2=11
LED1b=12
LED2b=12
lowFuel=0.05

[bf1]
LED1=6000
LED2=7000
LED1b=1
LED2b=1


When I run the little Program it says it has found the HID device and is ready for Outgage data.

However, in the Game the LED lights turn on occasionally and unrelated to the redline or RPM limiter. When I go into the PC System Settings the MOMO is under the USB HID with the number:

HID\VID_046D&PID_CA03\6&1280A016&0&0000

USB\VID_046D&PID_CA03\5&6C122E&0&1

In NASCAR Racing 2003 there is a Online Hardcore Mode with forced Cockpit View.
The drivers are not that much splitted on the Servers as someone said could happen, there are some drivers who only Race on forced Cockpit view Servers, but most drivers also join "free view" Servers aswell. The Splitting of the community is not that much of an issue, in Public Servers most Cockpit View drivers join any Servers, regardless of forced view or not.

Quote from Plastik8 :

Can LFS be translated into Unicode characters?? I.e Japanese, Chinese, Korean?? I could give the translation to Japanese a go....

I believe that there is a MASSIVE market over in Asia, once it catches on.....

Sounds like a good idea

Could somebody please help? I have the black MOMO and this thing doesnt work for me.

I have 4,60 drivers on the wheel and I changed my cfg configs to:

OutGauge Mode 1
OutGauge Delay 1
OutGauge IP 127.0.0.1
OutGauge Port 56551
OutGauge ID 0




In the momoleds file I have:


[config]
; outGaugePort: Port to listen to for OutGauge packets
; deviceID: Device ID of the wheel (51715 = MOMO Racing (0xCA03), 49813 = MOMO (0xC295))
; deviceNum: Device number (if you have multiple wheels of the same type)
; speedlimitFlashTime: Flash delay of flashing pitlane speed limiter (ms)
; shiftlightFlashTime: Flash delay of flashing shift light (ms)
; lowfuelFlashTime: Flash delay of flashing low fuel light (ms)
outGaugePort=56551
deviceID=51715
deviceNum=0
speedlimitFlashTime=200
shiftlightFlashTime=100
lowfuelFlashTime=1000

; LED settings below, if car specifig settings are not found, the default ones are used

; LED actions:
; 0 = Always off
; 1 = Shift light
; 2 = Handbrake
; 3 = Pitspeed limiter
; 4 = Flashing pitspeed limiter
; 5 = Left signal
; 6 = Right signal
; 7 = Redline
; 8 = Oil warn
; 9 = Fullbeam
; 10 = Low fuel
; 11 = Traction control
; 12 = Flashing shiftlight
; 13 = Flashing low fuel light
; 14 = Always on
; >100 = RPM light
; For primary actions negative values negate the light state.
; For secondary actions (LED1b, LED2b) negative value means
; an OR operation and positive a XOR operation.

[default]
LED1=1
LED2=11
LED1b=12
LED2b=12
lowFuel=0.05

[bf1]
LED1=6000
LED2=7000
LED1b=1
LED2b=1


When I run the little Program it says it has found the HID device and is ready for Outgage data.


However, in the Game the LED lights turn on occasionally and unrelated to the redline or RPM limiter. When I go into the PC System Settings the MOMO is under the USB HID with the number:

HID\VID_046D&PID_CA03\6&1280A016&0&0000

USB\VID_046D&PID_CA03\5&6C122E&0&1


What is wrong?

just a question about Scawen Roberts, does he Post in this Forum? And whats his username? Couldnt find it with the Search Mode.

Thanks for the welcomes guys! The Fresnel lens will take another week to arrive but I will come back to this Thread posting my new Raceframe

I'm also interesting in joining a league and I will take a look at the Austrian Racing league definitely after I learned the Tracks and made some more practise with those rear-wheel beasts :monkey:

Last edited by George Kuyumji, Sat, 19 Aug 2006 14:56.

Hello everybody!

I started Sim Racing on the Amiga with Indy 500 in the early 90s. I enjoyed Viper Racing, I loved Grand Prix Legends and NASCAR Racing 2003.

Some days ago I discovered the LFS Demo, and since yesterday I'm S2 licensed.
I want to say to the 3 Programers of this Game that what you have made truly is a work of Art, the Physic Engine is pure pleasure to drive, it feels so authentic and right, your Names will go into Sim Racing History. Thank for your dedication and realization of what is perhaps the best Driving Simulation available together with NR2003. Keep your pure Sim-ideology, I'm sure sooner or later a developer will give you an offer to include real cars, tracks and keep your freedom of programing at the same time.
And if not, then you still have made the perhaps finest Racing Simulation ever. Congrats already.

NASCAR Racing 2003 and LFS gave me Motivation to build a new Racing Frame. I cant await to drive the supposed to be Lotus Super Seven in LFS with my new Racing Setup which I look forward to arrive early next week. Soon I will Race on a 22" Monitor, with a 76 cm diameter fresnel lense infront (makes the Picture bigger and gives depth to it, Sim Communiteis say it works very well), together with the TrackIR/3dGlasses, and the Force Feedback seat of which I also only heard positive feedback from the Racing and Flight Simulator Communities. ( http://www.ivibe.com/ ) I think that whole package is gonna be a blast.

Thanks for all your dedication in bringing Motorsport to the home so cheap, I'm looking forward to years of happy Racing with you people